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Hi, I'm new so you have to be nice9_9

Just did a clean install of 10 to upgrade an old Win 7 PC. I have installed office 2010 and allowed Windows to update both the O/S and Office. What Ive noticed among the 89 Office updates is duplications of some. KB2553347 has been duplicated 17 times and some others several times. I have manually run an update check with the view that they perhaps did not complete, but with similar results.

Can I clean this mess up or is it part of the new generation Windows? Oh, and thanks for looking..

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Hi @gus - Welcome to the forum!

Does it continue to prompt you to reinstall that update or is it just something you noticed? If you just noticed it in the installed programs list, I would suggest you just ignore it and move on. Probably isn't hurting anything.

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Hi Steve, and thanks for responding. No I just noticed they were listed in the add remove section when I was snooping around. There also has been no warnings or prompts about any updates. I considered uninstalling them and let update do its thing again but thought it prudent to ask first.

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Heya @holdum333 - FYI, I nuked that link you posted. It's a great tip however, that's for clearing the update history "list". It doesn't have anything to do with fixing updates applied multiple times. It will just remove what's been installed so far.

11 hours ago, gus said:

There also has been no warnings or prompts about any updates.

Ya know what - the DEVs at Microsoft are not perfect. They are going to have bugs, that's just a fact. Personally, I wouldn't mess with it. Might just make it worse. ;)

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Hey Boss I don't have a problem being nuked LOL. I don't know about fixing updates applied multiple times. First time I have seen that. The reliability monitor records updates each time they are installed. I just recommend that link to people having problems with W10 updates. This is what Shawn says about it, so thought I would suggest it to the OP! Thanks for your explanation. I ran it one time and it fixed a problem for me! Don't think it would hurt any thing to run it, but as you say probably better not to mess with the dups updates

Sometimes you may have an issue with Windows Update such as not being able to download or install updates, error messages, not being able to search for new updates, etc. These kind of issues can occur when the Windows Update database or components are corrupted, one or more services related to Windows Update are not running, etc.

Resetting the Windows Update components and history can usually solve these types of issues.

Curious to know what the OPs reliability monitor looks like.;)

PS A cool thing about the reliability monitor, is it explains a little about the updates. IMHO it's a great tool that very few users are aware of or use. I hope this post doesn't cause gus a problem or confuse the issue.
 

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31 minutes ago, Steve said:

I wouldn't mess with it

neither would I. if it aint broken.....

Granted, you could try to rip it out with REVO or something else but, you will probably just break something else.

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Hi! If anyone is still watching this thread, i have a question. Why should I even care about my update history? Which seems to have been deleted, and I have no clue how that happened. I suppose a new history will now start. It seems I have a total of one so far! I did run the reset windows updates by Shawn Brink. I'm thinking that's when my update history got deleted. Again my question to anyone here. Why do I need a update history.;) What purpose does it have??

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Hi @allheart55 (Cindy E) Thanks! I have been there. I attached the screen shot in a earlier post on this thread. I'm just saying I don't see what everyone else is showing in update history. Thanks for your post Cindy! I only have one entry in mine.;) I attached a scree shot of that also!:)

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2 hours ago, holdum333 said:

Why should I even care about my update history?

Honestly.... I can't think of a time I check mine. ;)

Perhaps if you want to confirm that a hotfix or update was applied. But yes. Good point.

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You can worry to much about updates. I have a total of six essential updates installed on this PC.

Turned them off ten months ago after clean install.. Still waiting for armageddon and it's not happening.

So bored running scans all the time and finding nothing.

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Hey @Profiler I have heard that story from a lot of PC users. If you're a safe surfer and experienced, you probably will be just fine.

However W10 does not allow you to turn the updates off for the home addition. I don't know why?? I have heard other stories from users that they don't even use a AV program, and I'm guessing they get by just fine. I'm going to allow windows updates and I'm going to run Windows Defender and MBAM in real time.

I'm also going to have a current back up image of my OS on a external drive when things get out of hand. ;)

Welcome my friend from Aussie land!

Gary!

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I would not advise what I do unless you are experienced, I agree.

I also do not use an AV on this computer, running Windows7 SP1.

I don't visit Porn sites ever,as food is more important at my age.:D

I run on demand scans regular and use Windows inbuilt tools.

All my other PC'S all run AV's and all updates installed.

I did check for updates on this rig for interest, and including Office updates over 2 GIGs of updates waiting.OMG.

I have noticed that immediately all updates are installed my Computers slow down somewhat.

Not a lot but can notice the difference immediately.

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Sorry! I could not edit my reply! It will not happen again! I can certainly agree that food is more important at our age. I do not visit porn sites either. LMAO! 

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Thank you Steve, and Profiler for your informed responses. I too have disabled Windows 10 updates and until something breaks won't be re enabling them. I only chose to update because of the new fresh install of 10, and Office. About 80 updates to Office is more than enough for me. I'll leave the mess alone and not allow Micro$oft to make it any worse.

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We all have our thoughts about windows up dates. I will not speak for @Profiler or @Steve but IMHO,windows updates are for very good reasons. I see infected PCs all the time in my village.

If you read @Profiler's post more carefully, you will see that that he does not recommend not installing updates. Nor does @Steve.

Here's what HTG says about Windows updates!;)

Exactly how many computers were affected by these problems? We don’t have any good data that tells us this, but it’s a minuscule percentage of people. On the other hand, there are millions and millions of computers that are part of botnets, often because they refused to install security updates and ended up infected. Some people have estimated that 500 million computers each year become part of botnets. Far, far fewer computers than that experience problems with updates.

Spend any time at all on the Internet and you’ll realize that malware is a much bigger problem than Windows Update breaking computers. One is very rare — and can be fixed with System Restore or a similar recovery feature if it ever happens — while one is much more common and can result in the theft of your important data.

http://www.howtogeek.com/202038/why-you-need-to-install-windows-updates-automatically/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, holdum333 said:

We all have our thoughts about windows up dates.

Yes we do, and I do suggest that some users may live in false hopes and ideas that having your os system files constantly updated will prevent the pc from becoming infected. Sure in some circumstances updates can contribute to system security, and most in the scheme of things probably do.

My time at Malware school to date has demonstrated to me that users habits, along with inappropriate software, and inadequate security software would be the main contributors to becoming infected with malware, and not because of a missing windows update.

Windows updates will remain disabled on my machines until either a service pack is released, or a feature of the operating system is lacking operational serviceability.   

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Hi @gus I'm not here to argue with you! I posted my thoughts about Windows updates. You are entitled to your thoughts. I don't know of any tech giving false hopes that all you need, is to keep your windows updates current to prevent you from getting infected. I have never said that. I don't know which Malware school you are attending, but I have never see one that recommends not installing Windows updates. I'm very curious to which Malware school you are attending. I run windows defended and MBAM in real time and I have windows updates set to install automatic!;) I fully agree with you that safe surfing is your best defense against malware I also recommend a AV program that is fully updated. IMHO Windows defender will get the job done running W10 and MBAM pro will give you a second level of protection. Not my first rodeo @gus

Welcome to the forum!

11 minutes ago, gus said:

Sure in some circumstances updates can contribute to system security, and most in the scheme of things probably do.

My time at Malware school to date has demonstrated to me that users habits, along with inappropriate software, and inadequate security software would be the main contributors to becoming infected with malware, and not because of a missing windows update.

 

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Here's my thoughts and everyone here has a right to post their thoughts on this forum

 Recommending that W10 users not install window updates is not very good advise IMHO. There are very good reasons that MS puts these updates out on patch Tuesday. I agree in the past; that there were some problems, and Updates have caused problems for PC users, but my advise is to install the updates.

If you have W10 home, you probably don't have a choice anyway.;)

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First of all I never implied or said a malware school did not recommend installing updates.

Secondly I did not recommend that Windows 10, or any other users do not install updates.

Simply gave my opinion as to the way I choose to maintain my computer.

And thanks again to those that responded to my question.

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Hi There!  IMHO the windows updates are very important and I never recommend that they be turned off. When seniors here in my retirement village ask me if they should install windows up dates, I tell them yes, and then I tell them what they are, and how updates help them protect their PC. Some seniors tell me their children have told them not to install the updates. That's old school IMHO.

If you choose not to install windows up dates, that's your choice. I see no good reason not to install them. MS has decided that W10 Home will not give you the option to turn off the updates. I guess MS thinks they are important. @Profiler is a very experienced PC user and he can get away with not up installing the up dates. He also said he didn't recommend turning updates off. @Steve never said he didn't install w10 updates. @Steve only said he didn't pay much attention to them! The forum has many guests and members that read these posts and IMHO, turning off windows updates is not a good idea. I guess we can agree to disagree on this and I think we have done that!

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